it's not really clear why that was taken out of the talking points given to susan rice. it might have been because they didn't want to tip them off that they knew it was going on. >> i get it. and the information is evolving. certainly the white house should have to be held accountable and answer questions if there is some difference in their messaging. that's certainly true. but, andrew, what administration wants people to die on their watch? no administration wants that. and it certainly appears that many people -- this is an ideological thing to many people. people are contorting themselves to try to make sense of some conspiracy theory and then when you look at it logically, you're like, really? are you kidding me? >> i think regarding benghazi, this happened several weeks before the election. and i think it's just been -- it's really been churned within the media and the political machine. we've lost a little bit of sense of proportion about it, i think, to some degree. >> and it's people who, quite honestly, don't like the president and don't like the white house a